BRIAN STELTER: And Garry Kasparov is back with me. We were talking about the president's strategies in the face of this ongoing pandemic. Garry you wrote on Twitter this week that the president is lowering the moral bar for all, for everyone. Can you tell me more about that?

GARRY KASPAROV: Yeah again, it's typical. "I'm bad but everybody is bad. We're all bad". So why did all of a sudden is this corruption in Ukraine to cover trump's corruption. The "Obama is incompetent" to cover Trump's incompetence. It's all about destruction, lowering moral bars, it's been working for a while, but now he's dealing with a virus that won't go away. He cannot block the virus. That's why I think things could get worse because if crazy tweets do not work, crazy actions will follow.

STELTER: His warnings about the election, about mail-in ballots being rigged, all of this nonsense that runs counter to the facts. It will be a very long six months between now and November if he's going to try to delegitimatize the election ahead of time.

KASPAROV: I predict he will. If the numbers are not looking good for him, so far it's not working the way he expected. He will be getting crazier and crazier. That's why I think this election will be very unorthodox. So we should expect the worse, dealing with people like Trump you should prepare for the worst. If it can happen, work as if it has happened.

STELTER: Let me ask you about his treatment of pro-Trump media. He seemed to give up the game a few days ago tweeting out to the world about Fox News saying "Contrary to what you think, Fox News is not helping me win re-election!" and then criticized some of the Democratic guests and anchors on Fox. He is always name-calling. But this idea he's saying, "hey, I think Fox News is in my camp, they're just not doing a good enough job." It's saying the quiet part out loud, isn't it?

KASPAROV: Yes, but he's getting more and more desperate. His typical tactic is no longer working. He couldn't block the virus -- [ no audio ] doing a good job. It's all about -- it's all about, you know, having all the power and no responsibility.

STELTER: Garry, thank you very much for being here. Great to see you. Apologize for the technical challenges in between.