The insane fascination with the show "24," and how it suddenly defines the issue of torture for these warmongering and very serious Kristol hawks is ludicrous. And the secret documents are....still secret and even Jay Rockefeller says that he hasn't seen them.

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William the Bloody thinks that certain torture is "reasonable." "Serious people at the Justice department are trying to figure out what is torture, what is acceptable to certain circumstances....I think the Bush administration has been much more serious and conscientious about this than the NY Times reporting gives it credit for."

Memo to the warmongers: It's not hard to figure out what is torture. As long as Bush "surges on" in Iraq, William will be there sticking up for his boy. Just ask these WWII Nazi interrogators their feelings on BushCo's torture tactics.